"Junkyard Dog" question that has been bugging me..

[Phoenix]

As we know in this episode K.I.T.T. is dumped into that acid pit and sinks to the bottom. The next day F.L.A.G. comes in and pulls K.I.T.T. out. The only thing left is the body of the the car. When Michael looks at the remains the interior is completey eaten away by the acid. So I assume that all computer components were also eaten away. If that is the case then K.I.T.T. was "killed" and later in the episode when they rebuild K.I.T.T. it's not the "original" K.I.T.T. correct? Or am I missing something?

[neps]

Yea, I was kind of wondering that as well. My only thought was perhaps KITT actual processors are in some sort of air tight compartment under the hood. the acid seemed to destroy all glass and plastic, but metal remained. If KITT was protected inside a box like that, his essance would be okay. otherwise since he is actually a program, they could goto the previous nights backup.

[knightimmortal]

One of the working theories is that somehow, KITT's program was probably backed up at the Foundation.

KI

[March2875]

Something had to be left inside the frame of the car. Cause they had all those cables hooked to the remains of the dash.

Perhaps Neil's statement about an onboard box is true.

[knightimmortal]

And maybe, they were reloading back into the car, they would need cables to do that, and would have already been putting the replacement parts back in, at the Foundation.

They pretty much gave the image that KITT was destroyed through and through, just from Bonnie's commentary. Whatever was in the car, was toast. But the fact that there were cables and other attachments immediately after they got him back to the lab, says that they were working on connecting him to a larger system for analysis and possible download.

KI

[March2875]

that's very possible too.

[neps]

I don't know, if the tires were able to survive the acid pit, it makes me wonder what else did. I would think metal would stand up more then rubber. And there was sure to be rubber in the interior that was destroyed.

[knightimmortal]

Actually, rubber is quite resistant to acid, because it is relatively inert. The metal should have reacted faster, but the MBS might have altered that general concept. Just about everything plastic was toast.

KI

[neps]

*humbly bows to knightimmortal*

I stand corrected. I guess I'm all out of whack cause in BTTF III, they have the tires from the Delorean degrade after being stored in a cave, I know they aren't biodegradable, so that was messed up, but I just assumed acid would destroy it.

[knightimmortal]

City slicker Us people out here in the southwest desert region find that happening all the time.

Rubber dries out, and that is how it degrades. The bonds begin to break down when it becomes dehydrated, and begins to flake. It's sort of like skin in a way, and a polymer (which rubber is) generally reverts back to its original powdery form when water is taken from it.

Ooook, yep, too much time in the science lab. This chickie needs a vacation!

KI

[K2000kid]

Why on earth didn't KITT try to microjam the loader or turbo boost to safety. I know it would have been a completely different show if he had, but he should have made some effort to save himself

[Katt]

I've always wondered that, why when he gets lifted up, even if it's only one end, he suddenly becomes helpless. Someone suggested one that it was a loss of berrings or something.

[knight rider uk]

and has anyone noticed that despite all that gets eaten a keyring survivous bye the steering wheel what is it made of??????

michael help me

[pdennis93]

also, if kitt was "killed" i dont think he would have had memories of the accident..... so i think his cpu did partially survive.

if we go by the lost knight theory, the main chip is under the front end of the car and thus would have been covered by the metal and survived.

also my biggest problem with this episode is the whole primer thing

"it isnt paint, its a new finish bonded into the body"
"you mean the metal"
"its not metal and its not fiberglass"
(knight of the phoenix)

ok so if the mbs is a part of the car and the car isnt metal, than why the hell was it primered. also, if the mbs is a spray on/spray off thing (which it apparantly is according to knight of the jauggernaut) than what is the car made of?

[knightimmortal]

It has been theorized in the past from all the combined mentions, (They really do make fun reading!) that the Molecular Bonded Shell is actually a component that changes a metallic or other substance into a different substance. It Molecularly Bonds to the substance that it is applied to, therefore, creating a more hardened substance. They most likely add the black pigment in the mix.

(Now as for the keyring, that is one hell of a hilarious screw up)

KI

[neps]

The key ring must have been made out of rubber.

[KFCreator]

Actually, the answer to the question about KITT's CPU surviving when the rest of the car didn't is easy to answer if you think about it logically. Even though millions of dollars were spent on building the car and it's functions, those can always be rebuilt with technology. KITT's CPU however, is hardware that contains the most valuable and crucial piece of software: KITT's program and "essence." If we look to "Soul Survivor" as a reference, we know from that episode that KITT's CPU is housed in some sort of black case, and that it is the only thing needed to contain KITT's "soul." Now if KITT's CPU is that important, don't you think FLAG would have been smart enough to design a "black-box" type of housing for the CPU? Something that would survive crashes, explosions, acid, and just about any other type of destruction you can think of? I think they would have done that, and if so, then it's only logical to assume that the case housing the CPU was coated with the MBS. Since the MBS is the strongest substance known to man in the KR world, I never doubted it would survive being dunked in an acid pit.

[knightimmortal]

Well, as much as we would like to think that the CPU is encased in some superheavy duty MBS case, please note, the MBS didn't TOTALLY save KITT. It took out his windows, his interior, most everythhing, including even some part of the MBS.

I guess it is just hard for me to understand why some of you can not accept KITT uploading himself back into the Foundation mainframe. THAT is how you provide protection logically for an AI, you give it an escape route for self-preservation. To get the information on demand, KITT had to have at least some kind of broadcast type connection, so it is actually more feasible for him to 'escape' than to go completely down with the ship, when basically, the car was destroyed. I mean, wouldn't you expect the first thing for Bonnie to do would be to get said CPU out if it was completely there? Do you think that she would have had to be so drastic and call in the old troops to help, if the CPU was salvageable? There had to be some drastic and detailed damage to more than just the car for her to do what she did. Yeah, KITT's base programming was still around somewhere, but if it was in that vehicle, then KITT should have been more than terrified. He should have been scared absolutely and literally to death.

I am guessing it is easier for me to accept KITT being uploaded, than it is for me to see the CPU surviving that toxic waste (not exactly a common eventuality you could see in any scenario) as a whole. Somehow if that were the case, I would expect to see Bonnie in a hazmat suit, trying to get it out of the car as soon as the car cleared the pit, rather than watching with utter horror.

KI

[Katt]

I agree with KI, I don't think the foundations iresponsible enough not to have some safety thing for big disasters that might happen, a company like the foundation with that technology would have a way back it up so they don't have to completely rebuild the entire system.

That brings up another question, why didn't they have any spare car bodies for KITT, MBS or no MBS, seems like the car would get worn out sooner or later. Not to mention all the times he's blown up, smashed up, destroyed, or in the case of Soul Survivor, the cars stolen and her was made 'mobile' seems like it would of just been easier to put KITT in another body, and that they would have spares stored somewhere.

[reddkryten]

*humbly bows to knightimmortal*

I stand corrected. I guess I'm all out of whack cause in BTTF III, they have the tires from the Delorean degrade after being stored in a cave, I know they aren't biodegradable, so that was messed up, but I just assumed acid would destroy it.

The car had been frozen, electrified and fell from the sky, I think that had a large part to play in it .

[pdennis93]

i dont think the bttf delorean falling from the sky, or freezing had anything to do with the tires going.

it got frozen many times during bttf 1 and never had tire problems, and who are we to say it fell from the sky? yes the flying circuits were damaged but that doesnt necessarily mean the car simply fell from the air.

also, your not thinking 4th dimensionally (ive always wanted to say that, lol)

there could have in fact been higher ground back in 1885 that would have softened the landing IF in fact the delorean did fall.

doc never mentions the tires being destroyed in the letter, that leads me to believe that they were not distroyed in 1885... im sure the deloreans tires simply dry rotted after 70 years sitting in a cave.


oh and btw im just as big of a bttf fan as a kr fan, i just had to chime in with my .02 on this one

[reddkryten]

I'm sure the freezing wouldn't have been good for the tires either, also in BTTF1 Doc says that the stainless steel frame helps with the flux dispersal, but the tires were not made of stainless steel, it could be that the time travel ages them by 10 years each time but the people inside and the rest of the car are protected by the frame, you should go to bttf.com they have come up with explainations for everything in the trilogy, no matter how illogical.

[pdennis93]

i do frequently post over on bttf.com

but i dont recall ever seeing a post about the tires.

[reddkryten]

I've seen a few post about the tires, but what about the gas in the car in the mine .

[neps]

Well I guess I should explain, I probably should have kept quiet about the BTTF stuff, because it's items that were left on the cutting floor.

On the DVDs and information released before then (original script etc) there was a scene when they find the Delorean in the mine that Marty goes to touch the tires on the Delorean to have them crumble right there. This is why the Delorean had to have white wall tires put on in 1955. However, they cut this scene when they were informed that it would take far longer (not even sure if all) for the tires to degrade then 30 years.

As for the Gas, it has been frequently mentioned in the same sources, and in car knowledge, that if you are going to store a car for a long time, that you drain it of all fluids, because it can just add to the car breaking down over time. (similar to a body being drained of its fluids when it is embalmed.) Doc probably drained the Delorean so that it would still be in "perfect working order" when they discovered it in 1955.

The last one always got me too when they were looking for alternate fuel sources. But the explination makes sense.