Switching Gears

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Switching Gears

Post by Victor Kros » Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:12 am

After speaking to a very trusted friend of mine who I have happened to admire and respect more then anyone I have ever encountered on any Knight Rider forum period, I have come to a few decisions.

#1. I think the message of what I've been trying to do here is lost in translation. If there is one statement I can make that will sum up how I feel about this whole NBCU vs Feature Film ordeal it is this.

I can be non biased about both projects, I have the capacity to view the issue from different perspectives but as a Knight Rider fan and a person who knows Glen personally, it is my feeling that for better or worse NBC is stealing what Glen created. Just because they can do it legally, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

They are stealing it because they didn't ask him to be involved with it, they just went around him and did it.

You don't have to agree with me, you just need to understand that beyond all this friction and confrontation, that is how I feel deep down about these projects. It DOES NOT mean that I am out to sabotage the NBCU backdoor pilot, all I am asking people to do is understand and respect where it comes from and what is and isn't being done to respect or maintain the elements that made the original series so unique and inspirational to those who experienced it. It wasn't a perfect show but it was a fun show with real moral value and a unique form of entertainment you just can't find anymore.

#2. I offered to give plot details to people who asked me to do so as a favor, out of respect to show that I can give unbiased information about the project. I didn't cram spoilers down anyone's throat and I didn't force anyone to read what I posted about it. It is unfair to assume that my intentions are to destroy the credibility or possible success of the backdoor pilot, just because I am involved with the feature film.

I have looked at this project, "outside of camps" and have addressed my concerns with it, as a fan of Knight Rider who respects and understands the original source material it's being constructed from.

#3. Anyone calling me biased because I know Glen, doesn't help support your arguement when you don't agree with what I have to say, it just causes friction. I am an intelligent person who believes in looking at things from more then an obvious approach. I would hope that people would understand that despite who you may view my approach to the points I address, they are still valid points supported by valid evidence.

I'm not some kid who just loves Knight Rider to death, pretending to know things and am out to destroy all things Knight Rider that do not fall into line with Glen's vision because he created it. There's elements of Knight Rider that just make it Knight Rider in the first place and when those elements are tampered with, it's frustrating when its being plastered all over the net as the next big thing that is superiorto the original.

I have never intended to mislead people and everything I have said on these boards is the truth, even when I am wrong.

I am not an instigator or a troublemaker. When I am challenged, I try to use reason and if that reason is neglected, then I am less then cordial. Those who I have been "arrogant" to in an obvious manner, I have given warnings before hand for people who I do not care for to back out of my affairs if they have nothing of value to contribute to them. From now on I will just ignore them. I'm tired of trying to reason with individuals who don't want to find solutions they just want to egg on conflicts.

---- As far as Michael and Neil are concerned ----

#4. Michael Pajaro and Neil if you wish to resolve our differences for the better of the community, you can IM me any time you wish on yahoo messenger or you can send me a private message and we can arrange a time we can discuss things further about finding a compromise.

I want you to understand my decision to make this post has nothing to do with the threat of being banned, I honestly believe at this point my purpose here goes beyond whether I like you or vice versa. Out of respect for the community, I have to make certain compromises in order to co-exist.

You can't intimidate me, you can't insult me, but you can reason with me.

I feel how I feel about what you're doing behind the scenes and those feelings are unlikely to change. I've decided after talking to my mutual friend who made some good points that for the good of Knight Rider fans, I have done everything I can to try and convey why it is that I feel the way I do and at this point there's nothing left to say about the backdoor pilot that needs to be said. After it airs I won't be the only one voicing their opinion I'm sure.

The subject of whether KRO is biased or not cannot be resolved, it can only be ended.

Like Michael Knight in Knight of the Juggernaut he didn't agree with what Jennifer wanted to do with FLAG or how she saw his efforts but he decided to walk away from it and look at a bigger picture to find out what was really going to be the best road to take.

You two claim to like all things Knight Rider, while at times I don't agree, out of respect for the community I will respect your desire to promote "all things Knight Rider" from now on and no longer go on the offensive against you providing you do the same.

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Re: Switching Gears

Post by knightrover » Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:44 am

hi victor, i was wondering since the writers are back at the weinstein company, is larson working on doing the revisions to the script so the movie can go into production?

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Re: Switching Gears

Post by Victor Kros » Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:01 am

Things are progressing forward and will likely pick up next week, I cannot comment much more then that at this time.

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Re: Switching Gears

Post by Kaine » Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:01 am

hey Victor,
since i've commented and somehow even criticized you in the other threads i want to comment here as well.

i appreciate that you're a reasonable person and that you look at things from different perspectives. from everything you've said i think i fully understand your position and of course you have any right to have your own opinion and to be mad at NBCU for 'stealing' Knight Rider from Glen Larsen. If i was in your position i would propably react in the same way.
but i'm not, i'm just a fan who is hoping to get some decent new Knight Rider after a looong time of waiting. i don't know if NBCU can deliver what i am hoping for or if the new Knight Rider will be the same disappointment KR2000 or TKR were, but at least i want to watch the new backdoor pilot with an open mind and judge it after i've seen it!
you have insider information that i have not, so maybe you already know that the new KR won't live up to my or anybody's expectations, but i want to see and judge myself... so when i disagreed with you on the "ask-questions-about-skript"-thread it was because i don't think it's your decision to make, wether i shall like the NBCU production or not.
and to be honest: although you may try not to be biased i don't think you could leave all prejudices behind and be enthusiastic about the TV-movie... which is fully understandable because you're human!

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Re: Switching Gears

Post by Lost Knight » Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:13 pm

Some may have noticed I've been silent regarding all of the commotion that's been going on the boards lately. It is impossible to not see. And frankly I feel that if these arguments are public, it does give anyone and everyone the right to chime in, whether it's productive or not. If it were in PMs, different story. Part of the reason I've chosen to not get involved is because I have not much constructive to add that hasn't been pointed out in one form or another. Another part of the reason is that I'm looking at the bigger picture here, which is the fact that as fans, we have availability of information on all forms of the franchise from various (and reliable) sources. And yet another part of the reason is because the arguing is likely to diffuse itself the less people get involved (at least, that's the approach I've been trying to follow). While I'm not particularly bothered at all by the bickering, from an objective point of view, it can get distracting.

Anyway, with that said, I would like to thank the moderators, Neil Epstein and Michael Pajaro, for their coverage and efforts on attaining information regarding the NBCU backdoor pilot. I'd also like to thank Victor Kros, Joe Huth, and Shapeshifter for your efforts in providing information to the fandom. So, while I can't speak for everybody here, I'd like to say thanks to ALL of you. The boards would be a lot less active and interesting without your presence here.
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Re: Switching Gears

Post by Nelson B » Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:18 am

I have a question for Victor how come I can't get into your new website? The link no longer seems to be working.

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Re: Switching Gears

Post by DarylKnight » Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:28 am

Lost Knight, Well said.
I have to agree. I've been sitting aside watching as well. Difference in view is a great thing, and even some friendly conflict. It's fun to learn everyone's views on any topic, especially Knight Rider. Ok, maybe Victor Kros has been a little hastey, or not even, lets say, "battle tested". I have to ask though, why does he have to battle. I'd say he's got all the essentials necessary to post. He's a classic KR fan, without any shadow of a doubt. Anyone remember his post on the design of the Original KITT? He's just a passionate about Knight Rider as the rest of us. Everyone has him so against NBCU, but I don't ever once remember him saying "Don't watch NBCU's pilot, it won't be good!" Heck, he hasn't ever even implied that he wouldn't watch it. He simply made us aware of the contractual breach between Larson and NBCU. Many didn't care for his descriptions of NBC being sinister, but regardless of that, attacks weren't necessary. If it weren't for Victor, I wouldn't know Glen Larson has even come this far with a KR movie script. I'm not going to take sides, but, he's here to bring us information. Let's let him do it. He seems like a person you can disagree with, and he seems like he will respect what your saying, as long as it's well presented. Who doesn't ask that of anyone? Personally, I do feel a bias towards NBCU's version as we speak, but only because I'm a fan of Sequel series over remakes. For example, Star Trek and Star Trek TNG. They gave me a new captain and a new Enterprise on the same line of continuity, I prefer it that way. Why? Only because I can't except another Captain Kirk, Spock and so forth. (we'll see what JJ Abrams has in store for me, lol). With that reasoning, I have no doubt that Victor would understand reasonabley. I will say this though, at least the Larson camp CARES. Normally, I would be less than thrilled about a Knight Rider reboot, but they've got a guy like Victor coming out with polls and such to see what WE would like to see in a KR movie. I never saw that with Dukes of Hazzard, or Starsky and Hutch. They just assumed what we wanted to see, and failed on many levels. Victor, is here to find out what WE want to see! THAT alone, says I'll defintately be in line opening day when Knight Rider the movie comes out. None of this bickering will turn me off to the movie. I don't think Victor is arrogent. I think he BELIEVES in Glen Larson's product! As a classic KR fan, if he believes in it that much, it has to be worth the efforts. I'm a Stallone fan, and I believed in his product of Rocky Balboa, and I believe in his product of the upcoming Rambo. Yes those are my priorities, but I don't see Victors belief in Glen as any different. In fact I applaud it. I just wanted to get all that off my chest, sorry guys!
I'd just like to see, not the bickering end, but the senseless "arguing/fighting", I'd like to see that cool down. Thanks for listening guys, and thanks to Micheal, Neil, all the moderators. A big thankyou to Shapeshifter's insights on the NBCU pilot. Another big Thankyou to Victor for keeping us filled in, and giving us a say in the Larson movie. I hope all keep posting with their insider insights! LONG LIVE KNIGHT RIDER! I'm out.

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Re: Switching Gears

Post by msKEN » Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:52 am

Victor, is here to find out what WE want to see! THAT alone, says I'll defintately be in line opening day when Knight Rider the movie comes out. None of this bickering will turn me off to the movie. I don't think Victor is arrogant. I think he BELIEVES in Glen Larson's product! As a classic KR fan, if he believes in it that much, it has to be worth the efforts.
Bravo! Well said.
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