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Re: finally an nbc commercial

Post by coach41 » Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:31 am

You know, I have a theory on what the initial picture is:

It's the back of KARR with KITT's scanner lights being reflected.

If the first image was KITT, I would think they would have had something more obvious (voice, red scanner, etc).

It seems the entire focus of the commercial was KARR, so it would make sense all the images were of KARR.

Though, as someone noted (and I posted on Youtube), it would have made sense to show KITT after "For Every Hero" was shown.

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Re: finally an nbc commercial

Post by ghidorah15 » Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:37 am

Um...the car after "For Every Hero" *is* KITT. KARR appears after "A Nemesis".

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Re: finally an nbc commercial

Post by Sue » Sun Jan 04, 2009 3:34 am

Yeah was that KARR :shock: It's hard to tell because KITT's scanner can look yellow at times. But that one sure looked more yellow to me.. Also its signal lights looked white instead of KITT's yellow.
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Re: finally an nbc commercial

Post by KnightINSTINCT » Sun Jan 04, 2009 3:56 am

IM TEASED!

What the hell is that in the beginning? Is that light beneath the Shelby logo???

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Re: finally an nbc commercial

Post by My_Friend_KITT » Sun Jan 04, 2009 4:53 am

Thanks Neil for posting that link to the commercial!!! I had not seen it and that was Awesome!!! I can't wait now.
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Re: finally an nbc commercial

Post by JTurchetta » Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:27 am

Hey gang! Just FYI, the vehicle seen inthe very first shot is KITT as the Ford Flex, from "Knight Of The Zodiac". If you look closely you can see the oval Ford logo and the large flat front grill. Also KITT sported the scanner on the bumper while in that mode. Ill attach a pic. Here is a screen grab with timecode from that episode.
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Re: finally an nbc commercial

Post by Radicalas » Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:28 am

JTurchetta is right, it's Ford Flex front bumper from Knight of the Zodiac episode, just checked. It's on 35:53.

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Re: finally an nbc commercial

Post by neps » Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:49 am

Oh, I hope that's just NBC publicity department using the incorrect footage. They kept doing that in between the Pilot in February and the series (using the pilot Attack KITT footage), so hopefully that is the case here.

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Re: finally an nbc commercial

Post by Faithful Car KRO » Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:28 am

Damn, i was hoping KARR would be a slightly less new model of Mustang....like a 05 or 06 GT
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Re: finally an nbc commercial

Post by Skav » Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:26 am

The teaser looks really good but I hope they explain why KARR has a yellow scanner/whatever light if he does have one.

We all know that in KVK his scanner was yellow because the ocean corroded it so there would be no logical reason for it to be yellow in the new one.
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Re: finally an nbc commercial

Post by ronni3 » Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:29 am

id say simply brilliant.....thankgod they didnt let K.A.R.R only be an exoskeleton but a mustang.....at least they havent changed tht K.A.R.R is a car after all. :karr: and the driving looked kickass...i think we might be able to finally see the two cars going at it for a change and kI3T burning rubber for once....alspo as many pointed out no attack mode.....i wonder why.....and one more question is this episode included in the reboot?...or will the reboot start from episode 13?
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Re: finally an nbc commercial

Post by wez » Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:32 am

looks very good cant wait to see this show lol

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Re: finally an nbc commercial

Post by _K3000_ » Sun Jan 04, 2009 11:38 am

Dark Screen wrote:
Drifty wrote:Hold up guys, when the Mustang is burning out....I don't think it was Ki3t. The scanner looked more yellow to me. What you guys make of it?
Here's a couple of screenshots:

The first mustang looking very much like KI3T with the red scanner:

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Here is the next mustang shot that comes after the 'nemesis' intertitle, with a more yellow looking scanner, white driving\parking\indicator\repeater lights and perhaps no driver:

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I completly agree the second image is KARR for sure because their is no driver and perhaps the person in the backseat is Sarah?
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Re: finally an nbc commercial

Post by KnightINSTINCT » Sun Jan 04, 2009 11:47 am

look more closely. the driver is on the normal passenger side. But it appears he is driving.

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Re: finally an nbc commercial

Post by knightofthephoenix » Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:52 pm

Skav wrote:The teaser looks really good but I hope they explain why KARR has a yellow scanner/whatever light if he does have one.

We all know that in KVK his scanner was yellow because the ocean corroded it so there would be no logical reason for it to be yellow in the new one.
I thought that was fan theory? Not cannon?

I always thought if they had the $$$, the scanner would have been yellow in Trust Doesn't Rust.

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Re: finally an nbc commercial

Post by Skav » Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:23 pm

knightofthephoenix wrote:
Skav wrote:The teaser looks really good but I hope they explain why KARR has a yellow scanner/whatever light if he does have one.

We all know that in KVK his scanner was yellow because the ocean corroded it so there would be no logical reason for it to be yellow in the new one.
I thought that was fan theory? Not cannon?

I always thought if they had the $$$, the scanner would have been yellow in Trust Doesn't Rust.
It all stemmed from being fan theory but I think it's self explanatory in the episode for the scanner colour change if you want to have an explanation.

Besides, would it really have cost a lot more to buy yellow LED's for TDR? After all, they could afford to put Red ones in the KARR T/A.

I don't think it would have cost an extortionate amount of money, even back in them days, to get alternate colours.

If KARR does have a yellow light then obviously I, and other fans, would be forced to accept that they couldn't afford the LED's for the TDR episode which wouldn't be good for the continuation in TOS.

I want KARR to have a yellow light but also an explanation or something in the episode that would be self explanatory as to why he has it.
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Re: finally an nbc commercial

Post by Lexicon » Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:40 pm

There is no stated canon reason as to why KARR's scanner was yellow in KVK though the script says "KARR's distinctive yellow scanner" as if it has always been that way or it was written that way on purpose to differentiate the two vehicles with KARR later getting repainted to give more distinction for the final act. The fans simply concluded that his scanner was yellow because the ocean water affected some of his systems.

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Re: finally an nbc commercial

Post by KR3000mustang » Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:45 pm

Take a look at the photos above....the second one that "could be" KARR is has been "Flipped" Take a look at the grille, you can make out the cobra symbol on the left side (passenger side) of the grille instead of the right (looking at it from the front)... This trick is commonly used to keep the continuity of the shot, or in other words to make the car seem like it is moving in the same direction. As far as the appearence of the lights, it totally depends on the angle of the shot that deterimes the hue of the lights... I would imagine that KARR will look just like KI3T until he transforms into attack mode....That's my two cents worth....

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Re: finally an nbc commercial

Post by ronni3 » Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:03 pm

JTurchetta wrote:Hey gang! Just FYI, the vehicle seen inthe very first shot is KITT as the Ford Flex, from "Knight Of The Zodiac". If you look closely you can see the oval Ford logo and the large flat front grill. Also KITT sported the scanner on the bumper while in that mode. Ill attach a pic. Here is a screen grab with timecode from that episode.
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i watched knight of the zodiac again and the commercial......the scanner on the ford flex whict KI3T transforms into appears to be continuously glowing like KI3Ts normal scanner....whereas on the commercial....it breaks like wen u charge a cell phine the batterys lines come one by one....same is in the commercial...the scanner or whatevers line comes on one by one....maybe K.A.R.R has 2 scanners...one in the front which was orangish yellow, and the other at the back bumper? just a thaught....
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Re: finally an nbc commercial

Post by arhskr81 » Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:16 pm

There is another reason why the second mustang is KARR, look at the parking lights, KI3T's are amber while "KA3R's" are clear.

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Re: finally an nbc commercial

Post by PHOENIXZERO » Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:17 pm

Lexicon wrote:There is no stated canon reason as to why KARR's scanner was yellow in KVK though the script says "KARR's distinctive yellow scanner" as if it has always been that way or it was written that way on purpose to differentiate the two vehicles with KARR later getting repainted to give more distinction for the final act. The fans simply concluded that his scanner was yellow because the ocean water affected some of his systems.
It was more of an amber color and the salt water thing is a logical explanation even if it wasn't stated it'd go along with that other damage that was supposedly caused by it, though that might have just been the several hundred foot drop a couple years prior would have had quite a big effect on his systems too and not just disconnected a cable, heh. Perhaps Richard Okie just made a mistake and meant the VM? I don't remember the context in which that line was used though. *Shrugs*

There's no reason for KARR to have had a different color scanner in TDR since I think the red scanner is something just standard with the Knight 2000 and not a reflection on the color of the VM. Though yeah, it would make sense for it to match the VM but oh well. Probably something they didn't think about until it was too late to get a new scanner light.

EDIT: I should have refreshed before posting.

I still don't think KARR is going to be a Mustang, but we'll see....
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Re: finally an nbc commercial

Post by Mr.Marcus » Sun Jan 04, 2009 3:15 pm

LOL the salt water answer for the scanner and KARR's programming change, from self preservation to not giving a crap, is fanboy rationalization. The reason they turned it yellow and lost the self preservation programming is the same reason they threw cold water on the budding Michael and Bonnie romance in season 1. The series had become too kiddie friendly. The line between good and evil was crystal clear and Bonnie and Michael were redefined to emulate brother and sister. Paul Frees gave KARR a Darth Vaderesque tone and KARR became the complete antithesis of KITT rather than just having a flaw in the primary programming.

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Post by PHOENIXZERO » Sun Jan 04, 2009 4:04 pm

You do know that salt water is corrosive right? :roll: So that's a perfectly reasonable explanation for the scanner's change in color and I did not attribute it to KARR's going against his primary directive.
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Re: finally an nbc commercial

Post by Solid Snake » Sun Jan 04, 2009 4:22 pm

I discussed this with Neps and Sue in the chats, I think that is not KARR at all... yes in the commercial it is... but it is meant as a placeholder. The car that you see is KITT that was mirrored, to give the quick one time viewer the impression that the car is driving itself. Also the indicators are colourless and the image itself very flat too... indicating a filter that was used to alter the appearance a bit, not to mention the yellow scanner... I say this is just a teasing placeholder to get us talking and wondering.
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Post by Mr.Marcus » Sun Jan 04, 2009 4:24 pm

PHOENIXZERO wrote:You do know that salt water is corrosive right? :roll: So that's a perfectly reasonable explanation for the scanner's change in color and I did not attribute it to KARR's going against his primary directive.
Sodium Chloride also has hygroscopic properties and aides in cell osmosis but that's besides the point. Its a poorly contrived explanation for something that was really done by the producers to motivate the story for that episode. I say poorly b/c the molecular bondage shell was presented to be impervious to damage as previously established. Therefore the shell being exposed to a water solution of merely 3.5% NaCl for approximately 730 days shouldn't do any damage if said shell is able to withstand temperatures of lava, lasers, etc. The logic does not follow.

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