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Re: why cant david hasselhoff be in the new series?

Post by Matthew » Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:17 am

FX23 wrote:no, there is only one real micheal knight, dont settle for anything less
I hate to say it, but I find the credibility of Mike Traceur's hand-to-hand combat skills to be quiet superior to those of Michael Knight.

I know we all love the original series, and as such, we overlook just about every flaw other than Super Pursuit Mode, but there are certain things that the new series has already done more believably in pilot form than four years worth of the original show managed to do. Now don't get me wrong, I love a good roundhouse kick as much as the next guy, but sometimes, a swift punch to the face is more effective.

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Re: why cant david hasselhoff be in the new series?

Post by Knight-Armen » Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:21 am

I understand that we need to give him a chance now after all that hard work but the fact that he is replacing Hasselhoff is unacceptable for me.

I mean, if the show was entitled differently (i.e. not Knight Rider) it'd be easier for me to accept it as a new TV show but since it's replacing so many things from the original series it's kind of hard for me to accept it as something better etc.
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Re: why cant david hasselhoff be in the new series?

Post by Matthew » Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:30 am

I'd never call it better, because our childhood memories are something that should never be replaced, but I would call it different in a positive way. The stylistic changes that we’ve already seen help to set it apart from the original, and give the show an identity all of its own.

The best way I can think of to refer to the new series is as Knight Rider The Next Generation, because much like how Star Trek The Next Generation set itself apart from the original series and movie franchise by going for a more sleek and streamlined look to its technology, the new Knight Rider appears to be doing the same.

In this case, the new Knight Rider is replacing what we view as a perfectly functional dashboard with a high-tech HUD, much like how Star Trek The Next Generation replaced the large numbers of heavily individualized monitors from the movie franchise with a smaller number of more streamlined multipurpose units.

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Re: why cant david hasselhoff be in the new series?

Post by Knight-Armen » Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:15 pm

I'm not questioning the technology, it's fine and it keeps getting better which is a good thing. Like i said, the car is easy to get used to once it's seen in action. I have difficulties accepting the cars voice and the Mike Traceur character...
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Re: why cant david hasselhoff be in the new series?

Post by HisNameisGarth » Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:22 pm

FX23 wrote:no, there is only one real micheal knight, dont settle for anything less
I love to nitpick details.... Its my nature.
Actually there have already been TWO Michael Knights.

An unknown actor portrayed Michael Knight in the last scene of the Team Knight Rider episode, "Legion of Doom."

Justin becomes the 3rd actor to play the role.
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Re: why cant david hasselhoff be in the new series?

Post by pheonix_knight » Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:32 pm

HisNameisGarth wrote:
FX23 wrote:no, there is only one real micheal knight, dont settle for anything less
I love to nitpick details.... Its my nature.
Actually there have already been TWO Michael Knights.

An unknown actor portrayed Michael Knight in the last scene of the Team Knight Rider episode, "Legion of Doom."

Justin becomes the 3rd actor to play the role.
and to 'nitpick a nitpicker...' Justin Bruening, although the 3rd actor to play a character with that name, is not actually playing the same role....

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Re: why cant david hasselhoff be in the new series?

Post by FX23 » Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:03 pm

team knight never happened in my eyes

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Re: why cant david hasselhoff be in the new series?

Post by pheonix_knight » Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:05 pm

FX23 wrote:team knight never happened in my eyes
Its also being ignored by the makers of the new series...

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Re: why cant david hasselhoff be in the new series?

Post by PHOENIXZERO » Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:38 pm

I'm just going to quote what I just said in the Michael Knight topic.... >_>
PHOENIXZERO wrote:Put it this way, this is the LAST chance Knight Rider will likely have on TV, especially one that has anything to do the original show. If it fails, there will not be another Knight Rider on TV at least in Hasslehoff's lifetime or at least before he's a senior citizen and certainly in William Daniel's lifetime. So a little Hasslehoff/Original Michael Knight or Daniels/KITT (that's potentially well written) that we might get out of this is going to be a lot better than none at all, which will be the result if the show gets canned before it even has a chance and a real chance is more than just 13 episodes..

People who want Hasselhoff and William Daniels role to return in a full time role need to seriously get a grip. I've been a Knight Rider fan since I was two years old which means I started watching at some point in either half way through or towards the end of the second season or early season three on its first run. Michael Knight/David Hasselhoff was a hero of mine, as I'm sure he and the character was for others here. Hell, I remember when I think I was eight or nine years old seeing some movie DH made where he swore and for some reason I made up and excuse for why he did in saying something to my mother that was something along the lines of "he didn't want to but had to or was made to" or something like that, now that's just sad. Not even really much of a swear word even to me back then and especially not anymore, I think he just said "goddamn". Even more pathetic is that I might have even viewed him as a father figure somewhat since I never had one. So anyone saying I'm either, not a real fan or "don't get it" can turbo boost themselves off a cliff and onto the jagged rocks below.

The long and short of it is that I'm probably not using that term correctly, but anyway, is that it's been 22 years and I've grown up and know that there's no way DH could carry this show today as the lead to where it would be any sort of success. They need to attract a new audience and they would not do that with David, who is old enough now to not only be a father to all of what is considered the "key demographic" but also old enough to be a grandfather to part of it, not to mention those under or hovering around the age of 18 whom he could even be a great grandfather to in certain, messed up circumstances. Having him run around like it was the 1980s in a 20+ year old Trans-Am would be completely ridiculous and would look that way to any new viewer, likely turning them off in the process. Just from what little we've seen of the new show, action, the fights and all out physicality are going to be significantly more elaborate than what was done in the 80s and most of it will likely be done without stunt doubles that poorly resemble the show's stars. That's not to say DH couldn't do it, I'm sure he's not in that bad of condition, but the fact is that I doubt anyone here would want to see their grandfather in that type of role. Face it, the show NEEDS fresh blood in the lead role. DH could certainly fit a Devon/mentor type role but scheduling conflicts thankfully prevent that, that's something not only said by the show's executive producer but Hasselhoff as said it as well I think. DH at this point is best served as a guest star for a big, important mythology based episode. Same thing goes for any of the other original cast members still alive and/or active, which isn't many.

Top it off, Daniels is pretty much at the point of his life where his interest in even returning in a limited capacity is probably extremely low, outside of doing some business with MIO he seems to be, at the age of 81, more than happy to be retired. I have no doubt that if approached he would have little or no interest in returning full time to voice the ORIGINAL KITT again. Even if he were, do you know what kind of risk that could potentially be if the show ends up being a hit that last several years? I hate to say it but at his age the chances of dying increase significantly, voice work might not be physically demanding and might not consume a ton of time, but at his age I'm sure he has plenty of other things he'd want to do with whatever little time he has left. Sure, maybe he'll even live another 20 years or more, that would be great but it's not likely. But no one and I mean no one should be voicing the original series's KITT other than him. It's beyond stupid to even complain about his not being the voice of the new KITT which as everyone here should know by now, is a completely new AI.

Besides, if the show is a hit we'll be getting those important questions answered and at least one or two new Michael/KITT stories out of it, I'm sure. I do wish there was involvement from Glen Larson or producers/writers who had a significant role in the original show to give it a bit more legitimacy as a continuation, but hopefully the writers actually do pay a lot of attention to and respect to the history of the original series and not be stupid/lazy. At the very least I'm sure David will have a bit of control in how he returns when/if it comes or even gets a chance to, which he won't if the show isn't picked up or decides he doesn't like the direction again.

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Re: why cant david hasselhoff be in the new series?

Post by Niggle Snoosh » Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:34 pm

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FX23 wrote:there's nothing sad about being proud of the legend Knight Rider
A Statement that no-one in this forum would disagree with since if anyone of us really thought that was true we would not be on here and the Knight Rider community like a certain shadowy flight would not exist.

However there are those outside our (great and wiser) community that grew out of it or never liked it at all and as large as the community is, it's not large enough to warrant a series made just for us and after the disappointing attempts for a reboot that were KR2000 and TKR we are lucky we have any kind of new series at all.

As sad as it is Universal is a business and as such will want to milk some money and get high ratings from public if it can. Knight Rider was a product of the 80's, it's a series that would surely only have been thought up in that decade and when it was on it was awesome. Yet the ratings decreased and the show ended. Now Universal are not going to bring back a show the way it was because the only ones that would watch it are those who never stopped watching yet obviously weren't enough for Universal to continue the series.

That was 22 years ago, times have changed and so has the needs of today's target audience. Knight Rider has to evolve to live in today's world, a lot of what KITT could do wouldn't cut it with the kids of today, technology has more or less caught up with what we saw then, what makes the show work outside of the relationship of the car and his driver is the fact that it is the car of tomorrow. As cool as KITT was and is, knowing what we know now the believability of certain functions outside of their coolness are (as much as i hate myself for saying this)a little ridiculous and frankly impossible. Perhaps transforming is stepping a bit close to the edge but it does put itself in the car of tomorrow territory and beyond what is currently or likely to happen anytime soon.

A problem i have with the attack KI3T is that it was designed with today's laws in mind as to what it needs to make it more powerful, now it's all well and good trying to make it plausible today in some respects it just looks like a racers custom fittings not the unique superior technological advancement it is supposed to be. Now of course this is due to a need to satisfy today's audiences affection of fast and the furious and muscle cars but why make it look so barely above average and (quite possibly) uglier than the standard version when in reality it should really at minimum be a racers wet dream. Arguably it would be far more spectacular for a car that doesn't have such obvious modifications to still do the same things and surpass the heavily modded vehicles of today. Now we still have yet to see Attack KI3T in context and with luck when we do it will all be ok, even though i don't fully embrace the Attack KI3T i'm still willing to accept as a necessary tool to keep Knight Rider alive.

KITT was a sexy beast in his day (and still is) The Mustang doesn't have the same appeal to me as the Pontiac Trans Am/Firebird but i can't deny the fact a lot of that maybe due to nostalgia. Back in the day the Pontiac pretty much pwned all opposition in it's greatness which is a much harder feat these days. To get something that sets itself miles apart from the vehicles of the time yet not stick out like a sore thumb/look too unconventional or unrealistic (coughKIFTcough) Such a task is not easy and near impossible to keep the masses happy. Perhaps the Mustang isn't as special as it could be but it does have a bit of personality and at the very least (brand whoring aside) is a reasonable successor. Also it's always good to remember this is a KI3T, not The KITT. It is a different entity and should not be bound to KITT's mighty shadow.

William Daniels was the KITT we all knew and he did a damn find job, it can't be easy to give personality to a car that will live on for decades to come but he found a way. Not to mention the sad fact that him now being 81 does prove troublesome if you're considering someone for a role that has the potential to last for multiple seasons. Alot of people are overly negative towards Val Kilmers KI3T yet i was satisfied since he's not there to take KITT's place but rather to give a new spin on a proven idea. We know that KITT still exists somewhere so i don't see why others can't embrace a another charismatic AI. Nostalgia will stop Val Kilmer from outshining William Daniels regardless of the direction he takes with KI3T. People lay into Val about his less expressivce KI3T but William Daniels performance in the original pilot is sub par compared to later efforts and he wasn't brought in at the last minute. GST already acknowledges the fact we will see his voice and personality evolve as the series progresses, i don't know about you but i thinks that great. Although we did see KITT evolve somewhat in the original series it was never really explored just accepted and i think that this new spin will be more involving to the viewer and allow for a more intimate realtionship with the character. I for one what i've seen from Val Kilmer so far, such as it was, he's not KITT but he does have a certain something which can only get better.

Now speaking of big boots to fill we also have the role of the Knight Rider, one Mr Michael Knight who was of course played by the mighty David Hasselhoff. Back then he was one popular dude, he was eye candy to the ladies, a man to aspire to for the men and a heroic icon for us all. Now he still has an iconic status today but not necessarily for the right reasons. Now what i'm about to say isn't nice but you have to understand its not personal attack just an unfortune observation. Sadly my affection for the Hoff generally gets me laughed at (I for one think he's great, well how can i not because after all he is Michael Knight, a face of my beloved childhood memories) and sadly the cold hard truth is there is a far more sinister stigma attached to most peoples view of him. Today he is seen more as a figure of fun than a top celebrity he deserves, just the fact of who well he puts up with that crap is a great testiment to his character and he deserves respect not ridicule. That is why his role in the new series is/will be so small. Given the time and money that is spent on new programming it is sadly all too understandable that they avoid risk whenever possible, even if that does mean they overlook or forget his importance. We all know helped get this new series off the ground only to be slapped in the face with the possibility to being kept out of the new show permanently. However Univeral and GST do seem to now understand that he can't simply be cast aside and there is a place for him after all. Now he may not be given the importance he should and we desire but we atleast we can be happy for small graces.

As much as all of us here love The Hoff, most of us understand that one man making a difference is a young mans game and as wonderful it would be for us to see the original Michael Knight continuing his adventures it would be of no interest to a fresh audience, for those who crave Hoff in action there 4 seasons to see him in his prime.
Justin Breuning to me is a worthy successor to the name Knight, we should bear in mind he is not a replacement for the character we know and love but an alternate take on the role in different times. It's great we have a true fan of the show as a lead, what made David hasselhoff so cool was that he believed in the show and the character and loved what he was doing. From what I see we have been lucky enough to have that happen again. Plus Justin's Mike has a lot of personality and i thought immediately likeable, he also can live upto a higher standard in combat sequences that we expect these days. In the advent of Martial arts and great fight choregraphy becoming so important to mainstream audiences the days of the simple punch and macho brawling are long gone. Mike traceur may be the guy for today but to me that takes nothing away from the man we grew up with. Like KI3T and KITT there is no reason Mike and Michael can't coexist quite happily. Justin's role isn't to outshine our beloved Knight but to help a new legacy live on.

As great as the original series was the powers that be deemed it unsuitable to continue and such it can't exist as it did. This is not the 80's, this is now, Knight Rider as we knew it has been and gone but lives on forever in our memories and can still be enjoyed on DVD. Todays audience have different expectations, they grew up on a whole new breed of movies and programming that we did and rightly or wrongly a new Knight Rider must abide by new laws to be popular. We all have to remember this incarnation will have changes and not necessarily for the better (as many of our quibbles and rants have shown) just adapted to suit a new generation. We have to accept this as a new chapter in the world of Knight Rider, one that has all the potential to sit quite happily along the original and understand because it is not and never can be a replacement to the original series and nor should it be but it can survive and be enjoyable on its own merits.
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Re: why cant david hasselhoff be in the new series?

Post by HisNameisGarth » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:32 am

pheonix_knight wrote:
FX23 wrote:team knight never happened in my eyes
Its also being ignored by the makers of the new series...
So is KR2000 and KR2010..... Much like they ingnored Superman III and IV when they
made Superman Returns.

Sadly, it did happen. So technically, we've had two actors who played the "original" Michael Knight.
Justin plays the "reincarnated" Michael Knight (formerly Mike Traceur).
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Post by knightfever » Sat Aug 16, 2008 4:10 pm

Knight-Armen wrote: This is what pissed me off inte the first place and as I told you guys earlier, the car is fine and we can get used to it once we've seen it in action; nevertheless, they should have stayed with Hasselhoff and the original voice of Kitt! I don't care if this show is a so called remake of the old Knight Rider. Hasselhoff didn't mean for it to be so either, he wanted a followup of the original series as he wasn't happy with Knight Rider 2000.

The producers stole his idea and turned it into something between the Transformers and the Citroën commercial... :evil:
Actually, this show is a continuation of the original and not a remake. This story is set around 25 years after the first season of TOS, if they are still following the timeline from the back door pilot. From what I remember reading in the past, DH wanted to do a show called Super Knight Rider 3000 that would be about his original Michael Knight and the original K.I.T.T. and his son driving a new super car, the Knight 3000. So this new show has most of those elements except for the fact that the original MK won't be a regular part of it, which sucks.

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Post by Knight-Armen » Sat Aug 16, 2008 4:50 pm

... and the original Kitt that is to say.

How on earth can you make a continuation of a tv series without starting of where you left?
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Post by PHOENIXZERO » Sat Aug 16, 2008 8:16 pm

Worked pretty well for most of the Star Trek series where there was a 18 year difference (70-80 storyline wise) between the end of the original series and the Next Generation and was much more successful, at least when it comes to longevity on TV... Then there were the continuations/offshoots from TNG with Deep Space Nine and Voyager that were set in the same time frame and had guest appearances from previous cast members, something the Next Generation did too with the original series (I can't only really remember one instance, as well as the movie but I'm sure there's more) but didn't heavily rely upon it as you seem to want the new Knight Rider to. Then of course there's the prequel series.

How, do you leave off where the original series ended when after 22+ years the cast has aged significantly, retired or died? I want new stories with the occasional throw back episodes where we get a lot of history laden background stuff. But that's not something they can realistically do on a regular basis if they want to attract a new audience which they MUST do, complaining about that is childish, selfish and a lot of other -ish for reasons you can't seem to grasp or refuse to.

I'm sure the first 13 episodes will address and answer many things about what's happened over the last 22 years but that sort of stuff they cannot go overboard with and needs a good stretching out. I doubt it'll be the big "where are they now" type stories except for maybe addressing the Devon issue, which is something that doesn't need much to be properly addressed. But I'm sure we'll get some "interesting" things with sweeps in November unless the show fails horribly and gets pulled right away, sure they'd still show the episodes online though.

I had something else to add but I forgot what it was...

EDIT: Now I remember.... This isn't fan fiction, though I guess in a way with none of the original people working on the show it kind of is despite being done by the owners of the TV series, where someone can write a ton of things to answer anything and everything they like to or do whatever they want with with no concerns about anything other than writing a story they want to write. You cannot write a TV series that way or a movie or even a book because IT WILL completely and utterly fail. The old Knight Rider and the history of it isn't going to be what brings in the new fans the show desperately needs and I don't know about you, but I want new, fresh stories along with the occasional one focusing on the past, along some homages and references along the way. What I don't want is a retread of the original series (outside of keeping the basic, core ideas) and no one should want that.
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Post by Knight-Armen » Sun Aug 17, 2008 6:08 am

Okay, perhaps it worked out for Star Trek but that doesn't necesseraly mean that it will work out for the Knight Rider franchise. I mean, we all know that both Star Trek and Knight Rider are indeed science-fiction; nevertheless, if you ask me I'd say they are very different. Not in terms of storyline or such but rather the characters and all those superficial things that makes it what it is.
Let me illustrate what I mean: In Star Trek you have a bunch of characters and they all have a specific function or task if you will as a crew-member of the ship. The audience will therefore NOT engage or get attached to a specific character (I'm not saying that this applies to everyone or setting it up as a rule but giving you my theory in general), which leads me to say that they won't bother or notice if a character would be replaced.
In Knight Rider however you've got one lead character and his car, if either of these were to be replaced the audience would obviously react according to the change! You are now replacing someone or something in focus whereas in Star Trek you have no direct focus even though each crew-member has a certain difference from oneanother.
I believe that you should start where you left of and then evolve it into something you want it to be. That way you won't loose your audience and get so many questionmarks from the viewers!

They turned the original series into something completely new without connecting it with the previous one and expect everyone to love it? I mean, if they're trying to attract some new fans they might wanna keep the old ones as well. "What am I, chopped liver - Kitt?"

I would like to thank Hasselhoff for bringing Knight Rider back in the first place and as for the outcome, I have feelings as well you know...
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