seeker78 wrote:That's not nearly true, I have been posting here since 2003, actually prior to that as well I think (though that was on the old board..this site has been around since 95, I seem to remember posting in college and from Groton, CT, where I was in 2000), I recently went for like a month with no postings at all...
That’s why I mentioned the last year specifically, because before you began to mention your desire to see a 100% pure American car get used, I used to look forward to reading your posts, because you have some tremendous insight to offer. I have a love for military ships, aircraft, and other vehicles, but yet, compared to you who’s actually been there, I know next to nothing.
That’s the point I’m really trying to get across, even if I aren’t doing it in the most polite of ways.
my comments on wanting a US Made car are consistently limited to discussions where people suggest foreign made cars. If that's drumming a monolithic beat, then the people who want to use the Camaro Concept are guilty of the same thing.
To be fair, perhaps you are getting the short end of the stick, because you’re one voice against many, and as such, it’s entirely possible that the reaction you’ve gotten from a number people is due to you being seemingly alone in your views.
You're making it sound like I do 100 posts a day about how I hate the camaro concept, that's not right. Maybe my only posts THAT YOU READ are about the camaro concept or how I want a US Made car. I sympathize, as I am interested in the subject as well, but I do not appreciate being cast as some kind of psycho as a result. If 20 posts are made about the Camaro Concept, and I reply to 10 of them saying I think it is ridiculous to use a foreign made car for KITT, that is hardly "beating it over our heads". You disagree, I get it. Neither of us are psycho.
100 posts a day is a little on the extreme side, and I by no means intended to imply that you were quiet that bad, but a sizable portion of your posts from the last year have been dedicated to this particular subject.
No, I’d agree, neither of us are psycho, and I apologize for being tactless enough to leave room for such an implication.
Yes but you claim to speak for a collective body, and I definitely feel like the Camaro Concept is being beaten over my head. As well as the idea generally that we need to abandon US cars for Knight Rider despite 20 years of using an American car. Not to mention the idea that there's something wrong with me for having a point of view in a web board. Which is more personal and more akin to an ad homenim argument than the one which I have been making.
That’s the thing though, I disagree with you about the Camaro not being an American car, and so do the majority of people here, which is why your point of view is taken so badly by a great many of us.
If I viewed the Camaro as being foreign, I would be as against it as I am the likes of the Honda NSX, and the Nissan GT-R. I not only want the feature film KITT to be an American car, I ideally want it to be an American Muscle car, just like the Trans Am was, even if by the time Knight Rider was in production, muscle cars were generally a shadow of their former selves.
You will recall that one of my chief objections to using the Mustang was that it was boxy. I did use that word several times. So my argument is consistent. That of the people who want the Camaro is not. The people who want the Camaro apparently think it looks good because a version of it is going to be called Trans Am. Even though all versions are, to my eye, as boxy as the GT500KR.
Unfortunately, the big wigs at General Motors have said that they no longer want to have premium cars sharing the vast majority of their sheet metal, so for the time being, the G8 is going to be the most muscular entry of Pontiac’s lineup.
Personally, I don't want the Camaro due to its inherent connection to the Trans Am, I actually want it because of the level of heritage that the design holds. I mean, just look at it, it’s inherently modern in size and profile, yet bristling with retro styling cues from the 1969 version of first generation model.
Unfortunately, the same can’t be said of the Mustang, and especially the Challenger, which are both generally considered to be the Camaro’s primary source of competition. They’re both inherently retro designs that have been enlarged to fit the expectations of modern wheel sizes and components.
And the 1993 Camaro was a foreign made car but at least looks good also, as you just read. So your own quoting of me tends to defeat the argument you are making here.
Surely though, if an old car was an option, you’d agree that the original KITT would be the way to go?
The only reason for us getting behind other cars, foreign or domestic, is due to the fact that we can’t have the original, which in turn counts out everything that’s come and gone over the last 25 years as well.
Right, even though the parent company was American, and now Indian, the car is British, as it is made in Britain. Now if they were MAKING the Jaguar in India, and selling it in Britain, that would make it an Indian car. Although you would still be calling it a British car no doubt because it is being sold in Britain.
The geographical ownership of these companies isn’t even at the heart of the debate though. You say that Jaguar cars are British due to them being built in Britain, but that simply isn’t the case. Jaguar would still be a British company, even if the cars were built in India, unless the owners specifically stated they were changing the company’s governance over to the Indian rules of law. Then, and only then, would Jaguar’s sold in Britain be viewed as being Indian.
It’s the same case for the Camaro. It may be being built in Canada, but only the plant itself is subject to Canadian law, so whilst the Chevrolet brand remains under the governance of American law, its products will remain American.
I mean, just imagine, if I was to state that any Camaro built on British soil would be a British Muscle car, I’d be laughed out of the building.
Actually Daimler sold it off, it now belongs to an American private equity firm.
I stand corrected.
Welcome aboard the Knight 2000.
Thank you. What's all this, it looks like Darth Vader's bathroom?